tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post867828365998272067..comments2024-02-23T15:34:32.816-05:00Comments on The Mad Fermentationist - Homebrewing Blog: Best way to add fruit flavor to a beer?The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-67668978144011227512016-11-01T20:57:51.339-04:002016-11-01T20:57:51.339-04:00You could chop the dates and age on them in the ba...You could chop the dates and age on them in the barrel. Dried fruits don't have much freshness left, so no problem adding them earlier in the process. You could also just puree them and add at the end of the boil to be sure the yeast ferments out the sugars. Sounds like a fun beer, finishing up the second iteration of my Courage Russian Imperial stout clone with Brett and oak. Best of luck!The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-19795536742134373332016-11-01T19:09:55.604-04:002016-11-01T19:09:55.604-04:00What would be the best way to age a bourbon barrel...What would be the best way to age a bourbon barrel aged stout with Dates? Considering brett to bring in a better nose and to balance out the sweetness. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-50237154958747795982016-06-22T21:55:48.395-04:002016-06-22T21:55:48.395-04:00I find it easier to add the frozen fruit to an emp...I find it easier to add the frozen fruit to an empty fermentor and let it defrost before backing the beer onto it. Racking off the floculated yeast won't stop the Brett from working on the sugars from the fruit, if only it was that easy to get rid of! There are some interesting studies suggesting Brett can actually free cherry aromatics from glycosides. The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-22886288265322703692016-06-20T12:19:09.332-04:002016-06-20T12:19:09.332-04:00Mike, I am going to add some previously frozen fru...Mike, I am going to add some previously frozen fruits to some brett saisons that I am working on. I am curious your thoughts on pitching the fruit directly in with the yeast cake, or transferring off the yeast into a tertiary fermenter to age with the fruit. I am curious to see how brett might referment the fruit additions, but am a bit concerned that could produce some off flavors that I don't want. I will be doing one with local Colorado cherries and one with local peaches. Curious if you think it better to rack off the brett cake prior to the fruit addition, or if allowing the fruit to age with brett is a good way to go. Thanks!Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879245725260840812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-48229014311418201342014-02-19T20:38:22.236-05:002014-02-19T20:38:22.236-05:00I tend to freeze fruit out of convenience. Buy fru...I tend to freeze fruit out of convenience. Buy fruit in season, freeze and vacuum-pack, then add when a batch is ready. For sour beers I'm not that worried about wild microbes though. Pretty much all of the major beer spoilage microbes are added intentionally to sour beer. Between the alcohol, low pH, and low gravity, there isn't much any other microbe can do anyway.<br /><br />For clean beers I'm more careful, but I don't usually do anything to sanitize the fruit. I'm more willing to take a small risk as a homebrewer than most commercial breweries are.The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-61808177369750719782014-02-19T16:02:27.308-05:002014-02-19T16:02:27.308-05:00From I have gathered, you don't pasteurize you...From I have gathered, you don't pasteurize your fruit. Is this correct? Do you recommend freezing?<br /><br />I recently listened to an interview with the brewer from Jester King on the Sunday Session and he opts to sorbate his fruit for sour beers. The other option is heat pasteurization, but they say this drives off aromatics. <br /><br />What are your thoughts on this? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08407308359032799733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-28141946425109360102013-08-12T18:33:18.743-04:002013-08-12T18:33:18.743-04:00Hi all! I have brewed an awesome lemon lager and i...Hi all! I have brewed an awesome lemon lager and it rocks! Brewing strwberry lager now! A key hint is using fresh fruit diserves fresh and liquid sugar!latsahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-21125871989480138632013-06-04T11:06:55.790-04:002013-06-04T11:06:55.790-04:00Ahh yes, I didn't know the dark fruit characte...Ahh yes, I didn't know the dark fruit character develops with age. This was my first dubbel. The recipe is as follows:<br /><br />10lb pilsner<br />1lb Special B<br />1lb homemade dark syrup<br />1oz Northern Brewer @ 60min<br />WLP550<br /><br />The simple recipe was formulated based on a recipe I saw on the AHA site. It's been in the keg around three weeks so far. I've just been taking small samples to check carbonation. It's full of rummy toffee flavors, but no dark fruit. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06645540722093864176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-7460367391756247992013-06-04T06:29:26.495-04:002013-06-04T06:29:26.495-04:00You could certainly give it a try, but I'd be ...You could certainly give it a try, but I'd be more inclined to brew a 1 gallon batch, heavy on the dark crystal malt to blend. What was your original recipe, and how much Special B did you add? It could also be an issue of age, dark fruit tends to develop with time.The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-34072683591513591152013-06-03T23:04:46.240-04:002013-06-03T23:04:46.240-04:00I just kegged a dubbel that seems to be lacking th...I just kegged a dubbel that seems to be lacking the dark fruit flavors I was hoping for. Could I separately ferment a small batch of a blend of grape juice and prune juice with the same dubbel yeast (washed), then add that to the keg?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06645540722093864176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-28691905366563856802013-05-01T18:41:14.101-04:002013-05-01T18:41:14.101-04:00I think it's tough to generalize all dried fru...I think it's tough to generalize all dried fruit from trying bananas. Russian River does pretty well with Supplication, and that is aged on dried cherries. Having particulate in a bottle can also cause it to gush, even if the carbonation isn't that high. I ran into that when I added dry hops to bottles. The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-54295624633701688552013-04-30T22:48:31.216-04:002013-04-30T22:48:31.216-04:00ok thanks, I had only waited 2 weeks with the frui...ok thanks, I had only waited 2 weeks with the fruit in the secondary before bottling, I'm guessing if I had waited longer dead fruit particles (I'm not sure wgat the technical term is) would have formed and fallen to the bottom of the secondary instead of doing so in my bottles. Plus the carbonation is way too high so I should have waited longer, however my hydrometer readings were the same over 3 days. And as a side note dried fruit flavors are way too muted. Thanks again!Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-47390999657158817122013-04-30T17:13:11.824-04:002013-04-30T17:13:11.824-04:00I ran into the same issue with fruit puree, which ...I ran into the same issue with fruit puree, which is why I don't use it anymore. I like whole or sliced and then frozen fruit, which is much easier to separate from the beer. Freezing bursts the cell walls of the fruit, making it much easier for the yeast to gain access to the sugars inside. As with primary fermentation, you need to make sure the gravity is stable before bottling. I really only add fruit in sour beers, and as a result I tend to wait 2-3 months after adding fruit before bottling. Clean beers usually don't need that much time, but I'd wait at least a few weeks before starting to check the gravity.The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-14772194059059649102013-04-30T03:35:08.222-04:002013-04-30T03:35:08.222-04:00I've struggled with fruit beers as I am somewh...I've struggled with fruit beers as I am somewhat of a novice. I made a raspberry ale with raspberry puree I made and I added a campden tablet to the secondary and it was nearly impossible to rack the beer off all the dead fruit particles. I recently made a banana belgian wit with dried bananas in the secondary, and when I bottled it was crystal clear, however weeks later I got bottle bombs and there was dead fruit particles in the beer. How should I approach fruit beers in the future? ThanksJustinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-75924384209174890182012-11-01T20:36:05.862-04:002012-11-01T20:36:05.862-04:00Try brewing with some other dried fruits. I've...Try brewing with some other dried fruits. I've used dates, figs, and currants in dark saisons. They add a subtle fruit flavor that complements the dark flavors you get from high lovibond crystal malts (especially Special B). You can either add them late in the boil pureed in a bit of wort (as Lost Abbey does), or to the secondary fermentor for a stronger flavor contribution. Have fun!The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-69187676211338881592012-11-01T11:50:56.921-04:002012-11-01T11:50:56.921-04:00I know this is an old post but I am new to the blo...I know this is an old post but I am new to the blog and saw this and thought I'd throw a comment up.<br />I don't find many fruit tasting beers I like. The one that comes to mind isn't really a fruit tasting beer so much as I know it has Raisins in it. That would be Lost Abbey's Judgement Day. I love the stuff and it does have dark fruit flaovors to it but I don't necessarily taste raisin. I am interested in trying more fruit tasting beers as I love brewing beer and if I can find more ingrediants to use then I can make many more different beers in the long run.Bo Hansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10919354244836680604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-30534354482923749482011-07-03T15:29:23.933-04:002011-07-03T15:29:23.933-04:00About the fruited beer question, I happen to BE a ...About the fruited beer question, I happen to BE a girlie (well, nobody's a girlie at 38, but a female anyway) and I despise fruited beers if I can detect that fruit is in there. My hubby made a very nice rye summer ale with a bit of lemon in it, but I really liked it because the lemon wasn't detectable. Like a great recipe from a master chef, the end result was delicious, and the integral parts were not individually discernable separate from the whole. No lemon sticking out in there like a sore thumb. It was beer, and wonderful. Respect to others, obviously tastes do vary, but I do see the marketing of sweet, fruity, beer-like concoctions, as a ploy to open up the beer market to a segment of consumers who don't actually normally like beer as it is. And those of us who do, are perhaps more likely to dislike beer that is more like a wine. I plead guilty to liking beer precisely for its original qualities that are distinct from wine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-8422899275514914952011-06-07T13:48:25.168-04:002011-06-07T13:48:25.168-04:00Fruit really won't sweeten up a beer unless yo...Fruit really won't sweeten up a beer unless you kill the yeast first. If there is still yeast it will eat the sugars just leaving the acids. I like cherries and blackberries is red sour beers especially.The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-42059067767778740802011-06-07T12:35:34.552-04:002011-06-07T12:35:34.552-04:00Ahem, no mention of sour beer and fruit. Beers ge...Ahem, no mention of sour beer and fruit. Beers get contaminated, and if you can stand to sample the sour mess you may be able to get away murder covering up a lactic acid mouth feel with 1/4#+ strawberries pureed per gallon. What would sweeten up a sour brown? Cherries? Pommes or apples? Choke cherries?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-22268286163549049312010-05-06T23:20:47.753-04:002010-05-06T23:20:47.753-04:00We'll see, I wasn't sure on how it would w...We'll see, I wasn't sure on how it would work (high pectin, plus meat tenderizer). I may have to add some pectic enzyme if it seems to be setting up. The only issue with the protein cutter I can think of is head retention, but that won't be the end of the world. Oddly some "Burton" water salts contain papain to reduce haze.<br /><br />Looking forward to finding out how it turns out, those issues are why I went with a 1 gallon instead of adding it to the whole batch.The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-50444121467632149212010-05-06T22:02:22.883-04:002010-05-06T22:02:22.883-04:00Be careful with the papaya, as you may/probably kn...Be careful with the papaya, as you may/probably know it contains an enzyme that breaks down protein. Less scientifically it acts really weird in a smoothie, turns almost pudding-like.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929036052805388550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-83412095713256601212010-05-04T11:47:58.085-04:002010-05-04T11:47:58.085-04:00"I am a bit disappointed in the 18 of you who..."I am a bit disappointed in the 18 of you who said beer and fruit don't mix. " <br /><br />It's not a moral issue. I certainly hope you don't find a pocket of pro-rheinheitgebot insurgents torching stockpiles of whirfloc and candi-sugar. I do find that brewing fruit beers is a nice way to break out of a brewing rut. There just aren't many heavily fruited beers that I would want to drink two of. Maybe some of the more restrained Wits. The majority, especially the commercial beers, are so focused on the novelty (Dogfishhead Fort) that I don't even want to finish the bottle. <br /> <br />That being said, #9 (a relatively mild fruit beer by any standard) tastes just awful to me so feel free to write my vote off to unfortunate personal taste.WDCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-24449411569058151422010-05-04T08:39:07.393-04:002010-05-04T08:39:07.393-04:00"Most commercial fruits are made with extract..."Most commercial fruits are made with extract by the way..." I find most commercial fruit beers to be lacking (with the exception of some fruit Lambics and a handful of American, mostly sour, beers). I tend to think they are using extract for the “production” aspects you mentioned, rather than because they think it makes the best fruit beer.<br /><br />For me the aromatics you get from extract are only a part of what makes fruit delicious, I think the tartness and to a lesser extent color are also key to a great fruit beer. The sugars are also a big help when I am making a sour beer and want to feed the yeast. I also think fresh fruit gives more complexity if you are doing a fruit forward beer. However, I imagine that if you just want a hint of fruit aromatics in a quick/clean beer then extract might be the best way to go.The Mad Fermentationist (Mike)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07379932734747507258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-42490900096057061342010-05-04T08:18:01.626-04:002010-05-04T08:18:01.626-04:00Of course that should say "below me." W...Of course that should say "below me." Whoops.<br /><br />P.S. Congrats on the article! That's wonderful and I can't wait to read it.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09848698098490764186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8066877917844499643.post-144051245615090112010-05-04T08:14:33.872-04:002010-05-04T08:14:33.872-04:00I really think that, where a quality extract is av...I really think that, where a quality extract is available, extract is the best way to go. It's way easier, cheaper, and requires no secondary which cuts down on potential for oxygenation and contamination.<br /><br />I know a lot of purists out there don't like the idea of fruit extracts for whatever reason, but come on... if you're adding fruit to a non-belgian beer, you're not really a purist to begin with, are you?<br /><br />Seriously though, when I discovered that Magic Hat #9 is made with fruit extract, I decided right then and there that I would use extracts when avaialbe. That is a great beer (my favorite commercial fruit) and if they use extract, it certainly isn't above me. Most commercial fruits are made with extract by the way...Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09848698098490764186noreply@blogger.com